Congrats to the Mountaineers

[Dave Christian]

WVU played a great game and their team and coach stayed focused
and disciplined.

Nice job.

[Dave]

Post by Dave Christian
WVU played a great game and their team and coach stayed focused
and disciplined.
Nice job.

Wow. Generally, we just hope WV looks halfway decent on TV. They're
basically 1 play away from having beaten a #2 and a #3 this year.

The officiating job was about as bad as I've ever seen. I guess that
since the refs couldn't actually carry the ball into the end zone for
the Hokies, they decided to just let them run until one of them
reached it...tackled, or not. Well, unless a Hokie loses the fumble,
then the play should be ruled dead before the player is down.
Pathetic.

What a dominating performance and it really wasn't even as close as
the score would indicate.

Hopefully, they'll take care of business the rest of the way.

[Bruce Harper]

Post by Dave
The officiating job was about as bad as I've ever seen. I guess that
since the refs couldn't actually carry the ball into the end zone for
the Hokies, they decided to just let them run until one of them
reached it...tackled, or not.

Oh, like that was a valid "running into the kicker" call on that
punt??!?!!?! The punter should get a nice "good boy" award from the
coach for doing a great job of falling down when he was barely (and
accidently) brushed by the Tech player.

Granted, the MountingQueers played a much better game than VT. I'm
still trying to figure out how pretty much the whole team left its game
here in Blacksburg.

Bruce in Blacksburg

[Dave Christian]

Post by Bruce Harper

Post by Dave
The officiating job was about as bad as I've ever seen. I guess that
since the refs couldn't actually carry the ball into the end zone for
the Hokies, they decided to just let them run until one of them
reached it...tackled, or not.

Oh, like that was a valid "running into the kicker" call on that
punt??!?!!?! The punter should get a nice "good boy" award from the
coach for doing a great job of falling down when he was barely (and
accidently) brushed by the Tech player.

Accidently hitting (or even being pushed into) the kicker makes
no difference in college. It's all the same.

Post by Bruce Harper
Granted, the MountingQueers played a much better game than VT. I'm
still trying to figure out how pretty much the whole team left its game
here in Blacksburg.

MountingQueers? Is that frustration from the VT players and coaches
spilling over onto Usenet? Just kidding.

We've all watched our teams through similar games though. I
sympathize.

[Dave]

Post by Dave Christian

Post by Bruce Harper
Granted, the MountingQueers played a much better game than VT. I'm
still trying to figure out how pretty much the whole team left its game
here in Blacksburg.

MountingQueers? Is that frustration from the VT players and coaches
spilling over onto Usenet? Just kidding.
We've all watched our teams through similar games though. I
sympathize.

I'm sure it's not just with Friday's game...maybe they're not happy
they ended up finishing #4 last year (in the Big East) and it looks
like they may end up there (or worse) this year.

Since Temple of last year, they've lost to Miami, Pitt, WV(twice) and
Syracuse.

Then again, http://www.techsideline.com/ put "Bowl Game" on the
schedule, so maybe they're saving their best for the Diamond Walnut
bowl again?!

[Dave Christian]

Post by Dave

Post by Dave Christian

Post by Bruce Harper
Granted, the MountingQueers played a much better game than VT. I'm
still trying to figure out how pretty much the whole team left its game
here in Blacksburg.

MountingQueers? Is that frustration from the VT players and coaches
spilling over onto Usenet? Just kidding.
We've all watched our teams through similar games though. I
sympathize.

I'm sure it's not just with Friday's game...maybe they're not happy
they ended up finishing #4 last year (in the Big East) and it looks
like they may end up there (or worse) this year.
Since Temple of last year, they've lost to Miami, Pitt, WV(twice) and
Syracuse.
Then again, http://www.techsideline.com/ put "Bowl Game" on the
schedule, so maybe they're saving their best for the Diamond Walnut
bowl again?!

I honestly thought this was VT's year. I thought (and still think)
that Miami is beatable (go figure) and the way VT had been playing
thought they could do the job. I think they still have the talent,
but that incident between Beamer and Wilford (specifically, Wilford
turning and walking away) makes me have doubts.

Bryan Randall's numbers, if you discard the interceptions, weren't
totally horrible as the game went on (I know, "Other than that Mrs.
Lincoln, how was the play?"). The stat that surprised me was the
14 rushing attempts by Randall. Does he usually run the ball that
much or was that a result of having to scramble so much?

[Miami]

Any team is beatable, the problem is when you constantly schedule weak
sisters to better your rankings, eventually you will run into her brother
that will knock your block off. Beamer is smart with that, he always
ensures that VT will be ranked high and in the thick of things. Even though
when they play a top five ranked team at game time, they can not beat one.
They always seem to get skunked every year by an unexpected team.

I don't blame him for that, its pretty tough to recruit against allot of
the other better located programs. He does what he can very well with what
he has got. I really do not believe that if they had the Canes schedule,
for example, this year, that they would have been ranked in the top three
when they played WV. Hey, WV has a good squad, I looked at them as being
stronger then VT and Pitt at the beginning of the season.

Post by Dave Christian

Post by Dave

Post by Dave Christian

Post by Bruce Harper
Granted, the MountingQueers played a much better game than VT. I'm
still trying to figure out how pretty much the whole team left its game
here in Blacksburg.

MountingQueers? Is that frustration from the VT players and coaches
spilling over onto Usenet? Just kidding.
We've all watched our teams through similar games though. I
sympathize.

I'm sure it's not just with Friday's game...maybe they're not happy
they ended up finishing #4 last year (in the Big East) and it looks
like they may end up there (or worse) this year.
Since Temple of last year, they've lost to Miami, Pitt, WV(twice) and
Syracuse.
Then again, http://www.techsideline.com/ put "Bowl Game" on the
schedule, so maybe they're saving their best for the Diamond Walnut
bowl again?!

I honestly thought this was VT's year. I thought (and still think)
that Miami is beatable (go figure) and the way VT had been playing
thought they could do the job. I think they still have the talent,
but that incident between Beamer and Wilford (specifically, Wilford
turning and walking away) makes me have doubts.
Bryan Randall's numbers, if you discard the interceptions, weren't
totally horrible as the game went on (I know, "Other than that Mrs.
Lincoln, how was the play?"). The stat that surprised me was the
14 rushing attempts by Randall. Does he usually run the ball that
much or was that a result of having to scramble so much?

[Dave-tx]

Post by Dave Christian
I honestly thought this was VT's year. I thought (and still think)
that Miami is beatable (go figure) and the way VT had been playing
thought they could do the job.

I really didn't think VT was nearly as good as they were hyped
to be. Compare them position by position to the 1999 Sugar
Bowl team, and with only a few exceptions, the 1999 team is
much stronger (especially on the DL).

The only thing I think they had going for them this year was
a favorable schedule (Miami at home plus a lot of creampuffs
to start the season).

I still think they'll give Miami a tough game next week.
Miami doesn't have anyone who runs as hard as the WVU backs
do.

Post by Dave Christian
I think they still have the talent,
but that incident between Beamer and Wilford (specifically, Wilford
turning and walking away) makes me have doubts.

I think this issue is being WAY overblown. There's not going
to be any lingering problems with this, other than the media
refusing to drop it.

That said, I wish AD Weaver would have at least fined Beamer
as a symbolic gesture.

Post by Dave Christian
Bryan Randall's numbers, if you discard the interceptions, weren't
totally horrible as the game went on (I know, "Other than that Mrs.
Lincoln, how was the play?"). The stat that surprised me was the
14 rushing attempts by Randall. Does he usually run the ball that
much or was that a result of having to scramble so much?

He doesn't usually run that much.

-Dave

[Dave Christian]

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian
I honestly thought this was VT's year. I thought (and still think)
that Miami is beatable (go figure) and the way VT had been playing
thought they could do the job.

I really didn't think VT was nearly as good as they were hyped
to be. Compare them position by position to the 1999 Sugar
Bowl team, and with only a few exceptions, the 1999 team is
much stronger (especially on the DL).
The only thing I think they had going for them this year was
a favorable schedule (Miami at home plus a lot of creampuffs
to start the season).
I still think they'll give Miami a tough game next week.
Miami doesn't have anyone who runs as hard as the WVU backs
do.

Without Gore they're not the same. Still, with that OL they have,
they're a handful.

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian
I think they still have the talent,
but that incident between Beamer and Wilford (specifically, Wilford
turning and walking away) makes me have doubts.

I think this issue is being WAY overblown. There's not going
to be any lingering problems with this, other than the media
refusing to drop it.
That said, I wish AD Weaver would have at least fined Beamer
as a symbolic gesture.

It seems like the incident may be the least of the problems. It looked
(from the outside) like there is a lack of respect. Certainly from
Wilford on Wednesday night.

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian
Bryan Randall's numbers, if you discard the interceptions, weren't
totally horrible as the game went on (I know, "Other than that Mrs.
Lincoln, how was the play?"). The stat that surprised me was the
14 rushing attempts by Randall. Does he usually run the ball that
much or was that a result of having to scramble so much?

He doesn't usually run that much.

Just another indication of how badly the night went.

Have you seen the polls? I was expecting VT at 8, 9th at worst.
(Even at 8 or 9, it is conceivable that winning out (and a little help)
could get you close to that top 2. 11th?! I think that's a bit harsh.
you near

[Dave-tx]

Post by Dave Christian

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian
I think they still have the talent,
but that incident between Beamer and Wilford (specifically, Wilford
turning and walking away) makes me have doubts.

I think this issue is being WAY overblown. There's not going
to be any lingering problems with this, other than the media
refusing to drop it.
That said, I wish AD Weaver would have at least fined Beamer
as a symbolic gesture.

It seems like the incident may be the least of the problems. It looked
(from the outside) like there is a lack of respect. Certainly from
Wilford on Wednesday night.

Hard to really guess, that's for sure. I'm taking the optimistic
route and assuming that frustrations were boiling over for all parties
involved. Everything I've heard about Wilford indicates he's a good
kid, so I'd have a hard time beleiving that he will cause a problem.

Post by Dave Christian

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian
Bryan Randall's numbers, if you discard the interceptions, weren't
totally horrible as the game went on (I know, "Other than that Mrs.
Lincoln, how was the play?"). The stat that surprised me was the
14 rushing attempts by Randall. Does he usually run the ball that
much or was that a result of having to scramble so much?

He doesn't usually run that much.

Just another indication of how badly the night went.

For sure. Another indication was how long he just stood there - I've
not seen him show such a level of unawareness of what's going on in the
pocket around him as he did that night.

Post by Dave Christian
Have you seen the polls? I was expecting VT at 8, 9th at worst.
(Even at 8 or 9, it is conceivable that winning out (and a little help)
could get you close to that top 2. 11th?! I think that's a bit harsh.
you near

Heh, I actually expected a worse drop - I was preparing myself for 13th
or 14th, but that was probably just me being pessimistic. I really don't
think the drop was too harsh - Tech wasn't competitive in ANY aspect of
that game. This was their first real test of the season, and they didn't
show anything that a top-10 team should have shown.

Still lots of football to go! ;-)

[Dave Christian]

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian
I think they still have the talent,
but that incident between Beamer and Wilford (specifically, Wilford
turning and walking away) makes me have doubts.

I think this issue is being WAY overblown. There's not going
to be any lingering problems with this, other than the media
refusing to drop it.
That said, I wish AD Weaver would have at least fined Beamer
as a symbolic gesture.

It seems like the incident may be the least of the problems. It looked
(from the outside) like there is a lack of respect. Certainly from
Wilford on Wednesday night.

Hard to really guess, that's for sure. I'm taking the optimistic
route and assuming that frustrations were boiling over for all parties
involved. Everything I've heard about Wilford indicates he's a good
kid, so I'd have a hard time beleiving that he will cause a problem.

You're probably right about emotions and frustrations boiling over.

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian
Bryan Randall's numbers, if you discard the interceptions, weren't
totally horrible as the game went on (I know, "Other than that Mrs.
Lincoln, how was the play?"). The stat that surprised me was the
14 rushing attempts by Randall. Does he usually run the ball that
much or was that a result of having to scramble so much?

He doesn't usually run that much.

Just another indication of how badly the night went.

For sure. Another indication was how long he just stood there - I've
not seen him show such a level of unawareness of what's going on in the
pocket around him as he did that night.

There was one play in particular (I can't remember when in the game
it happened), but he just stood there until a WVU player came from
behind and took him down by the ankles. I remember thinking that
Randall was playing as if there was no one rushing. Odd.

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian
Have you seen the polls? I was expecting VT at 8, 9th at worst.
(Even at 8 or 9, it is conceivable that winning out (and a little help)
could get you close to that top 2. 11th?! I think that's a bit harsh.
you near

Heh, I actually expected a worse drop - I was preparing myself for 13th
or 14th, but that was probably just me being pessimistic. I really don't
think the drop was too harsh - Tech wasn't competitive in ANY aspect of
that game. This was their first real test of the season, and they didn't
show anything that a top-10 team should have shown.
Still lots of football to go! ;-)

Tons. And lots of opportunities for teams ahead of you to knock each
other off. Win out and it will be interesting.

[Dave-tx]

Post by Dave Christian

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian
Bryan Randall's numbers, if you discard the interceptions, weren't
totally horrible as the game went on (I know, "Other than that Mrs.
Lincoln, how was the play?"). The stat that surprised me was the
14 rushing attempts by Randall. Does he usually run the ball that
much or was that a result of having to scramble so much?

He doesn't usually run that much.

Just another indication of how badly the night went.

For sure. Another indication was how long he just stood there - I've
not seen him show such a level of unawareness of what's going on in the
pocket around him as he did that night.

There was one play in particular (I can't remember when in the game
it happened), but he just stood there until a WVU player came from
behind and took him down by the ankles. I remember thinking that
Randall was playing as if there was no one rushing. Odd.

I remember that one - I think I upset my wife with my creative use of
my four-letter-word-vocabulary on that play! ;-)

It was odd, for sure.

Post by Dave Christian

Post by Dave-tx

Post by Dave Christian
Have you seen the polls? I was expecting VT at 8, 9th at worst.
(Even at 8 or 9, it is conceivable that winning out (and a little help)
could get you close to that top 2. 11th?! I think that's a bit harsh.
you near

Heh, I actually expected a worse drop - I was preparing myself for 13th
or 14th, but that was probably just me being pessimistic. I really don't
think the drop was too harsh - Tech wasn't competitive in ANY aspect of
that game. This was their first real test of the season, and they didn't
show anything that a top-10 team should have shown.
Still lots of football to go! ;-)

Tons. And lots of opportunities for teams ahead of you to knock each
other off. Win out and it will be interesting.

Ahem, you'll of course forgive me if I'm not overly optimistic about
Tech winning out at this point!

Big game this coming weekend. What I'm most interested in seeing is
how the Tech players approach this one - is there focus and intensity,
or has all of that gone?

[Dave]

Post by Dave Christian
You're probably right about emotions and frustrations boiling over.

The fact they cannot beat highly ranked teams has to be a source of
frustration...this was in the paper today...

"The Hokies have beaten the No. 9 team twice under Beamer, but are
0-19 versus teams ranked eighth or higher."

[Miami]

Post by Dave

Post by Dave Christian
You're probably right about emotions and frustrations boiling over.

The fact they cannot beat highly ranked teams has to be a source of
frustration...this was in the paper today...
"The Hokies have beaten the No. 9 team twice under Beamer, but are
0-19 versus teams ranked eighth or higher."

--- I'm glad to see that someone else finally posts what I have posted here
for years. They have never beaten a top 5 ranked game time team. I'm not
surprised to see them drop that low, they have not played anyone. But
that's how Beamer gets the team ranked so highly every year. Then when they
come up against a decent team, they falter. How can you improve yourselves
when the competition is always under yours, except for the Canes.

Hey, take the lumps, schedule anyone, anywhere. They cant though, its a
catch 22, its just not a real recruitable area to go play at. Tough
winters, just not a whole lot to offer athletes. Remember, athletes, not
scholars. When it comes to scholars, I was surprised to see that compared
to the other big east schools, they didn't even rank in the top 5 academic
wise, they were ranked two schools under UM who was ranked I believe 4th or
5th.

As for the game this weekend at VT, which I will be attending (have already
been warned to leave my UM colors at home) it has the making of a 2-3
touchdown win by the Canes.

[Bruce Harper]

Post by Miami
But
that's how Beamer gets the team ranked so highly every year.

Still an idot after all these years, aren't you? That is the most
idiotic statement to come from _anyone_-- "Beamer get the team ranked."
Last time I checked, it was the media that took care of the rankings,
not one individual coach. Beamer has nothing to do with where the team
is ranked and you know that. What a maroon!

Post by Miami
As for the game this weekend at VT, which I will be attending (have already
been warned to leave my UM colors at home) it has the making of a 2-3
touchdown win by the Canes.

I thought you were a proud Miami fan -- if you were going to Morganhole,
then, yes, leave the stuff at home. VT fans (although like any place,
there are exceptions) wouldn't hassle you unless you were being
obnoxious. Sorry, it isn't beach weather, but I rather like seasons --
it is a near perfect day here in Blacksburg today and Saturday looks to
be the same. The high will be in the low 70s, although the temperature
will be dropping through the 60s and 50s as the game goes on -- great
fall football weather. Let me know what section you're in and I'll fart
in your general direction ($1 to Monty Python and the Holy Grail).

Bruce in Blacksburg

[Miami]

Post by Bruce Harper

Post by Miami
But
that's how Beamer gets the team ranked so highly every year.

Still an idot after all these years, aren't you? That is the most
idiotic statement to come from _anyone_-- "Beamer get the team ranked."
Last time I checked, it was the media that took care of the rankings,
not one individual coach. Beamer has nothing to do with where the team
is ranked and you know that. What a maroon!

Hey , he plays a large part in scheduling, he directs who they schedule. So
yes, thats how he gets his team ranked, by playing weak teams, besides
conference, instead of scheduling top teams. By the way, didnt your
newspaper mention something about scheduling, I guess the media is starting
to understand and buy my theory, but you still havnt caught on.

Post by Bruce Harper

Post by Miami
As for the game this weekend at VT, which I will be attending (have already
been warned to leave my UM colors at home) it has the making of a 2-3
touchdown win by the Canes.

I thought you were a proud Miami fan -- if you were going to Morganhole,
then, yes, leave the stuff at home. VT fans (although like any place,
there are exceptions) wouldn't hassle you unless you were being
obnoxious.

I have heard quite different.

Sorry, it isn't beach weather, but I rather like seasons --

Post by Bruce Harper
it is a near perfect day here in Blacksburg today and Saturday looks to
be the same. The high will be in the low 70s, although the temperature
will be dropping through the 60s and 50s as the game goes on -- great
fall football weather. Let me know what section you're in and I'll fart
in your general direction ($1 to Monty Python and the Holy Grail).

Your fart is going to have to travel a long ways, from the end zone to me on
the 45 yard line. If you take time to look, Ill be wearing the Marlins
World Series Champions jacket.

Post by Bruce Harper
Bruce in Blacksburg
--
Bruce in Blecchsburg
---------------------
Bruce Harper
Virginia Tech, Blacksburg Virginia
bharper at vt.edu

[Oscar Lanzi III]

Big cheer! Maybe the BCS'ers will be sufficiently covinced to let the
BE keep its bid?

--OL

[Dave Christian]

Post by Oscar Lanzi III
Big cheer! Maybe the BCS'ers will be sufficiently covinced to let the
BE keep its bid?

Won't happen. The Big East could have survived had Boston College
remained, but that was pretty much it.

[jon breiner]

Don't give up hope. Here is a perspective from a UC fan:

http://www.bearcatnews.com/articles/view/story/82

I agree with a lot of his points. BC does not a northeastern market make.
I think the new BE still has a BCS bid.

jon b

Post by Dave Christian

Post by Oscar Lanzi III
Big cheer! Maybe the BCS'ers will be sufficiently covinced to let the
BE keep its bid?

Won't happen. The Big East could have survived had Boston College
remained, but that was pretty much it.

[Robert Broughton]

Post by jon breiner
http://www.bearcatnews.com/articles/view/story/82
I agree with a lot of his points. BC does not a northeastern market make.
I think the new BE still has a BCS bid.

Good site. "The ACC and Boston College" article was good, too;
http://www.bearcatnews.com/articles/view/story/81

[jon breiner]

Post by Robert Broughton

Post by jon breiner
http://www.bearcatnews.com/articles/view/story/82
I agree with a lot of his points. BC does not a northeastern market make.
I think the new BE still has a BCS bid.

Good site. "The ACC and Boston College" article was good, too;
http://www.bearcatnews.com/articles/view/story/81
--

Thanks. It is the official "unofficial" UC Bearcats site. They do a great
job. I write basketball previews for them. Panth, who wrote those articles
has a great sense of humor and is a pretty smart guy as you can tell.

Anyway, as a UC fan I am looking to officially be part of this conference.
I realize most would not have it this way, but I am very excited about bball
(probably the best conference starting in 2005) and think football could
surprise, just like WVU did to VT. We'll find out anyway.

Good luck, all!

jon b

[Rob]

These are some very good articles. Is it true that a majority of the Div I
schools must approve the BCS?? Even if it is true, I don't think the BE
keeps it's slot. I say this because the major conferences will only need to
sway 2 teams (according to the article) to get a majority. That probably
won't be hard, though there will be concessions.

1) Notre Dame will probably buy into it if it keeps them almost for sure a
slot. Too much money to turn down. They would piss off a lot of BE teams
by doing so, but the conference still won't drop them in other sports. The
BE has built their basketball program at the expense of other eastern
schools and we still can't get them as a football team. So, there is no BE
leverage against the ND football team. They will go where the check is.
Kind of ironic for a "Catholic" team.

2) I figure the BCS will make the BE slot open to a team from other than the
other 5 conferences (including ND if they don't take one of the other
slots). Why? Because it will help with all this congressional hearing
stuff. They can say we are giving them a chance and they shouldn't be given
more slots, but rather a chance at the big money. They will take the best
team from all of the other conferences (with some ranking stipulations I'm
sure) and give them the final BCS slot, or the championship game if they are
1 or 2. This will for sure give them a few teams who feel left out and
would have a chance (Marshall, Toledo, Colorado St, and quite a few more).
Now all these other teams just need to achieve the highest BCS ranking from
mid major teams and they get a huge payday. Not everyone is happy, but the
cash cow remains for the large football schools.

As for the BC switch, I guess we'll wait on that. They will for sure be
eaten by travel expenses. One of Miami's gripes was travel money. I also
agree with the article, the football team will be dismal at best and maybe
get a bowl slot every 5-10 years. They were always middle pack in the Big
East, well, the same teams ahead of them are moving along. Now, they will
find out how tough some of the ACC teams are getting. Teams like NC St have
been better at football than BC for a few years now. However, it remains to
be seen what recruiting ripple this will have. All ACC teams assume they
will now go steal all the NE football talent since the BE has lost the BCS
slot (if that happens). So, BC will have a chance to pick up some good
kids. I think the ACC thinks the same thing will happen in basketball.
With all the football money and prestige, they will bump out the BE in hoops
too. I disagree with that, because hoops is different and the BE will be a
top hoops conference now. Louisville and Cincy will make sure they dominate
the NE recruiting and also start attacking ACC country.

I am upset how the ACC thing turned out (from an SU fan), but it's not the
end of the world. Realistically, Miami and Va Tech did what was right for
them. They are probably guilty of lying and making deals they knew they'd
back out on, but they have improved themselves so much in football. But
they will remain mediocre in basketball. The BE will thrive in hoops and
next year they will be the top conference in the country. If they get a
good game plan, adding Cincy and Louisville can make the football stuff
rebound. We'll have to wait and see. I do know the football conference
will be very competitive, especially looking at how fast UConn is coming
along. I expect some very exciting seasons ahead. Hopefully they keep the
BCS ticket, but the conference is still ok without it.

Rob

Post by jon breiner

Post by Robert Broughton

Post by jon breiner
http://www.bearcatnews.com/articles/view/story/82
I agree with a lot of his points. BC does not a northeastern market

make.

Post by Robert Broughton

Post by jon breiner
I think the new BE still has a BCS bid.

Good site. "The ACC and Boston College" article was good, too;
http://www.bearcatnews.com/articles/view/story/81
--

Thanks. It is the official "unofficial" UC Bearcats site. They do a great
job. I write basketball previews for them. Panth, who wrote those articles
has a great sense of humor and is a pretty smart guy as you can tell.
Anyway, as a UC fan I am looking to officially be part of this conference.
I realize most would not have it this way, but I am very excited about bball
(probably the best conference starting in 2005) and think football could
surprise, just like WVU did to VT. We'll find out anyway.
Good luck, all!
jon b